One sometimes wonders if Facebook and - Gods' Forbid - "Twitter" have taken over people's interest in blogs..... Hey, I'm just craving some contact with other humans - but I'm *not* going to Twitter, what next, single word communication? Then shrugs?
Well I'm here, on occasion. And I'll never Twitter, so help me Goddess. (Or use Facebook, or MySpace; that place gives me freakin' hives.)
I guess I unbookmarked you when you stopped posting for a time, and since then I forget until I come across the link on Wild Hunt. But I just re-bookmarked you.
My first reaction to all those penii (?) was, awwwwww, how cute. Then, what, that many men in Pompeii couldn't get it up?
Then I went and Google Imaged 'human uterus' because I'd never understood the thing about the uterus being kind of rough and spiky looking (I assume the trilobite-looking votives are uteri), nor the old comparison of the uterus to a hedgehog(!). Well, it wasn't for the squeamish, but I knew that. And they didn't look spiky at all, but quite smooth. So I don't understand.
Hi everybody! Thalia, thanks for your long post. Chas, actually I don't know about those inscriptions but I'll get Simon to check in his book on the erotic art of Pompeii. Steve, no these are from the Naples Museum. I went to the Melbourne exhibition today actually, and *did not think it was very good*! I think it was designed for children, it was OK, but I wasn't that thrilled with it. There just wasn't actually that much there.
@Mike: Of course they weren't circumcised, it's Pompeii! If it were Jerusalem that fact *might* be more surprising; but, Roman culture revered the intact human form (rightly so IMHO)... Would you sacrifice a 'damaged' good to your deity? Devout followers of Priapus reportedly made offerings of 'actual' whole genitalia. Presumably, these terra-cotta items would seemingly be from a later time---once sacrificial practice became less rigorous.
Definitely interesting. I am just doing an Open University, Open Learn assignment on votives.
One thing that intrigues me is the surfeit of phalluses (phalli?). Having been to Pompeii three times I know that the phallus inscription in the exterior of a building is taken normally as a sign that the building concerned was a brothel, but that leads to the conclusion that Pompeii had more brothels per head of population than anywhere else known (more than 20 known brothels). Either the Pompeiians had an excess of sexual energy or, just maybe, there is some other significance.
If one assumes that a votive is for healing, is it a sign that Pompeiian men were especially concerned about their fertility? Or is it that it's just a "good luck" sign, I wonder, given that the phallus is so ubiquitous in Roman art?
I don't know, but someone must have written a proper academic article on just how many brothels there were in Pompeii. I agree, either the Pompeiians had a lot of brothels, or the phalli on the walls were for good luck - or apotropaic signs - on non-brothel buildings.
Here's what I got from Googling: Pompeii brothels academic study
There's this article by Marguerite Johnson. https://theconversation.com/the-grim-reality-of-the-brothels-of-pompeii-88853
There must surely be a trajectory of research on prostitution in the Roman world
The Economy of Prostitution in the Roman World: A Study of Social History and the Brothel https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.3998/mpub.17679
The Brothel of Pompeii Sex, Class, and Gender at the Margins of Roman Society https://www.cambridge.org/au/universitypress/subjects/classical-studies/classical-art-and-architecture/brothel-pompeii-sex-class-and-gender-margins-roman-society?format=HB
Roman Hospitality: The Professional Women of Pompeii https://bmcr.brynmawr.edu/2002/2002.06.33/
Modern Tourists, Ancient Sexualities: Looking at Looking in Pompeii's Brothel and the Secret Cabinet https://academic.oup.com/book/2916/chapter-abstract/143576722?redirectedFrom=fulltext&login=false
I can't believe no one has any coments about these!!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteOne sometimes wonders if Facebook and - Gods' Forbid - "Twitter" have taken over people's interest in blogs..... Hey, I'm just craving some contact with other humans - but I'm *not* going to Twitter, what next, single word communication? Then shrugs?
ReplyDeleteWell I'm here, on occasion. And I'll never Twitter, so help me Goddess. (Or use Facebook, or MySpace; that place gives me freakin' hives.)
ReplyDeleteI guess I unbookmarked you when you stopped posting for a time, and since then I forget until I come across the link on Wild Hunt. But I just re-bookmarked you.
My first reaction to all those penii (?) was, awwwwww, how cute. Then, what, that many men in Pompeii couldn't get it up?
Then I went and Google Imaged 'human uterus' because I'd never understood the thing about the uterus being kind of rough and spiky looking (I assume the trilobite-looking votives are uteri), nor the old comparison of the uterus to a hedgehog(!). Well, it wasn't for the squeamish, but I knew that. And they didn't look spiky at all, but quite smooth. So I don't understand.
Anyway, I'm here, and hope you are well.
Do any inscriptions come with these phalli, etc., that indicate the wishes of the offerer?
ReplyDeleteAre these from the current exhibition in Melbourne Caroline? Steve (Sydney) - interested in Pompeii and paganism
ReplyDeleteHi everybody! Thalia, thanks for your long post. Chas, actually I don't know about those inscriptions but I'll get Simon to check in his book on the erotic art of Pompeii. Steve, no these are from the Naples Museum. I went to the Melbourne exhibition today actually, and *did not think it was very good*! I think it was designed for children, it was OK, but I wasn't that thrilled with it. There just wasn't actually that much there.
ReplyDeleteSeems none of the models used in the sculptures were circumcised :)
ReplyDelete@Mike: Of course they weren't circumcised, it's Pompeii! If it were Jerusalem that fact *might* be more surprising; but, Roman culture revered the intact human form (rightly so IMHO)... Would you sacrifice a 'damaged' good to your deity? Devout followers of Priapus reportedly made offerings of 'actual' whole genitalia. Presumably, these terra-cotta items would seemingly be from a later time---once sacrificial practice became less rigorous.
ReplyDeleteDefinitely interesting. I am just doing an Open University, Open Learn assignment on votives.
ReplyDeleteOne thing that intrigues me is the surfeit of phalluses (phalli?). Having been to Pompeii three times I know that the phallus inscription in the exterior of a building is taken normally as a sign that the building concerned was a brothel, but that leads to the conclusion that Pompeii had more brothels per head of population than anywhere else known (more than 20 known brothels). Either the Pompeiians had an excess of sexual energy or, just maybe, there is some other significance.
If one assumes that a votive is for healing, is it a sign that Pompeiian men were especially concerned about their fertility? Or is it that it's just a "good luck" sign, I wonder, given that the phallus is so ubiquitous in Roman art?
I don't know, but someone must have written a proper academic article on just how many brothels there were in Pompeii. I agree, either the Pompeiians had a lot of brothels, or the phalli on the walls were for good luck - or apotropaic signs - on non-brothel buildings.
ReplyDeleteHere's what I got from Googling: Pompeii brothels academic study
ReplyDeleteThere's this article by Marguerite Johnson.
https://theconversation.com/the-grim-reality-of-the-brothels-of-pompeii-88853
There must surely be a trajectory of research on prostitution in the Roman world
The Economy of Prostitution in the Roman World: A Study of Social History and the Brothel
https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.3998/mpub.17679
The Brothel of Pompeii
Sex, Class, and Gender at the Margins of Roman Society
https://www.cambridge.org/au/universitypress/subjects/classical-studies/classical-art-and-architecture/brothel-pompeii-sex-class-and-gender-margins-roman-society?format=HB
Roman Hospitality: The Professional Women of Pompeii
https://bmcr.brynmawr.edu/2002/2002.06.33/
Modern Tourists, Ancient Sexualities: Looking at Looking in Pompeii's Brothel and the Secret Cabinet
https://academic.oup.com/book/2916/chapter-abstract/143576722?redirectedFrom=fulltext&login=false